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have you played out scenarios in your head often before tulpa stuff?

yeah, a lot LOL

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i don’t know if this has happened to anyone else, but sometimes i can hear conversations going on in my head, like two people talking to eachother. and it’s usually when i’m doing a task or not thinking about anything in particular thonk

but when i tell them to be quiet they do Dog_Doge_Kek

i’m pretty sure it’s not my tulpa talking, though. he’s pretty shy when it comes to people and the voices don’t sound like him pluralthonk

ive always tended to subconsciously think of random words/conversation but for me its always felt like they were mine, its probably just ur subconscious

Luminesce: Yeah, my brain usually just plays a random song 24/7, but on days where I socialized a lot it instead just runs snippets of words (sometimes not even intelligible) from people I heard a lot in the background (edited)

7:34 PM

I assume your background vocalized thoughts are more clear than mine

7:34 PM

Still wouldn't consider it related to tulpamancy, though

7:34 PM

Unless they can meaningfully talk directly to you

7:34 PM

But random aimless imagined voice, no

I have constant dialogue going in my head about what I'm thinking about, and the number of "actors" in any given thought stream varies a lot

7:51 PM

it's all "my voice" and "me" but it's a back-and-forth like regular conversation. A lot of it in "tulpish" (abstract thought rather than explicit human language), too, but still a constant running commentary with multiple commentators

7:51 PM

that is literally 24/7, even when a song is stuck in my head

im the strangest case youve ever seen

9:20 PM

made in a day

9:21 PM

imidiately vocal

9:21 PM

i did take a week to get sentient

how are u sentient

oh that’s a good question! when can i know my tulpa is fully sentient?

{Every message sent by us here until August 1st was from Lumi, we're getting too lazy to retroactively tag tens of pages of posts lol} Luminesce: Technically the concept of tulpa sentience at all is debated, mostly because people can't agree on what it means (edited)

9:27 PM

Normally easier just to call independence & autonomy

Reisen

Normally easier just to call independence & autonomy

that makes more sense! thonk

Which, should be easily observable traits - when you don't feel like you're controlling your tulpa at all

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9:28 PM

And in a broader sense those can even be seen as indefinitely-improvable skills

9:29 PM

Improving your tulpa's ability to act on their own without your thinking about them first and all (edited)

9:29 PM

Though not everyone ever bothers to do that

Reisen

Improving your tulpa's ability to act on their own without your thinking about them first and all (edited)

i better start reading some guides on that pluralthonk

I wonder if there are guides covering that specifically? Probably?

there’s bound to be a reddit post or two

We've always just been "Think about how you think that would work, and then do it" types

emily

im the strangest case youve ever seen

you are not the strangest case, leiko helped other people in same way that she helped you, same immediate results (edited)

Reisen

We've always just been "Think about how you think that would work, and then do it" types

i guess it’s worked out for you, then? thonk

Yes lol.

all you need to get immediate results is forget about all the distracting fluff

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We learned both switching and imposition very quickly by just doing what made sense to us.

guides are infohazard

9:32 PM

what kind of imposition?

Well that's a potentially can-of-worms question

9:32 PM

To imply there are multiple kinds

Reisen

We learned both switching and imposition very quickly by just doing what made sense to us.

i still wonder how switching works, i haven’t touched the idea of it at all cause of how alien it sounds to me

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

guides are infohazard

I think the problem starts further back, when people feel mentally incapable of deciding things themselves and rely desperately on collecting others' opionions/anecdotes instead

9:33 PM

(in some cases)

yeah so all you need is someone to reassure them they don’t need that

In other cases yeah, if someone could be swayed to either follow a guide or figure it out themselves, the latter is better (edited)

you donmt need to write pages and pges

9:33 PM

they donmt need “tulpa theory”

9:33 PM

try to teach someone ride a bike from a book

9:34 PM

i think it is still better to have someone help you by reassuring than trying to figure out by themself because that takes months for some

9:34 PM

i mean it really was up to 20minutes when me or leiko was helping someone with a tulpa or switching

9:36 PM

i also sprinkle some of the stuff that causes people develop pseudo-did

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i still wonder how switching works, i haven’t touched the idea of it at all cause of how alien it sounds to me

In a quick summary - I consider the part of a person they identify with as "them", the conscious thinking part, separate from the body and rest of the brain they might (usually do, by default) also identify as. So my internal sense-of-self that plugs into/uses the brain's ability to think and process things is "me", and my tulpas are the same thing, their own senses-of-selves and everything else that comes with that (preferences, values, perspective, personality and thought patterns etc.)

9:37 PM

So, switching to us is literally just switching which of us is "plugged into" the driver's seat of the brain, so to speak.

9:37 PM

Literally getting out of the driver's seat and switching with my tulpa in the passenger's seat, seems to be a great metaphor.

if you have same pfps, can you really say that you switch……?

We don't, Discord sucks

sorry for gatekeeping

Use the forum

Reisen

Literally getting out of the driver's seat and switching with my tulpa in the passenger's seat, seems to be a great metaphor.

i love that metaphor, it makes so much more sense when i hear it that way Kanna_rawr

Reisen

Literally getting out of the driver's seat and switching with my tulpa in the passenger's seat, seems to be a great metaphor.

Now, how to do this.. is exactly what Kitkat and I say is best to figure out yourself rather than try to follow other people's exact guides or whatnot.

9:39 PM

Whatever comes to you naturally in tulpamancy will nearly always work better for you than someone else's symbolism or such.

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9:40 PM

Though maybe unlike Kitkat, I don't mind explaining how I think tulpamancy works (or should work)/what the experience is like (or should be like)

9:40 PM

Since for a variety of reasons, that really helps people learn to have the same experiences.

9:41 PM

(You just.. need to learn from someone who's got an actually good experience & foundation for working with it)

well now i’m curious as to what your first time switching was like pluralthonk

I first switched with Reisen, but each of my tulpas had roughly the same experience - all of the senses/sensory information felt new to them, so they were somewhat overwhelmed (in a good way) by sensory information for a while

9:44 PM

Like, they paid a lot of attention to feeling textures, visual details and so on.

9:45 PM

The effect wore off over a month or so though, so I'd say it's like they just didn't have the filter of "This is all old, just ignore it" that I and everyone else would after childhood. (edited)

ooooo interesting

But I haven't seen anyone report a similar initial experience with switching as us in like 9 years, lol

I'd say it was like that for me.

Whelp

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I felt like a little kid again, it was wonderful

9:46 PM

Everything was super vivid and amazing, but maybe that's just because I was expecting it to be that way

9:46 PM

Expectation plays a huge part in how you're going to experience something.

Our first switch was with Jonah, when he realised it was actually him in the steering wheel he was having a lot of fun just gaming

9:47 PM

That was 3 years ago and now switching is just this normal occurrence

The other big(er?) thing is that my tulpas would get actually tired after being switched for a while, progressing from only an hour to some hours and then eventually able to go the entire day (and then wake up switched, instead of always me waking up) over the course of 1-3 months (too long ago to remember now)

Yeah, that was our experience as well

Luminesce ↩️

Reply to: The other big(er?) thing is that my tulpas would get actually tired after being switched for a whi…

Actually tired as in, as someone who cannot nap, my tulpas would get tired to the point of actually being able to fall asleep

I was at the supermarket, it was a wonerful enviroment to explore with all the cold and smells of produce and sounds of people going about their day.

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well now i’m curious as to what your first time switching was like pluralthonk

Can’t say I’ve switched. I’m more of a bottom really

STOP THAT bonks

Milk

Can’t say I’ve switched. I’m more of a bottom really

I SPIT OUT MY WATER

Silly police

But yeah, after the month or few it took to progress to going all day without getting tired, my tulpas became able to wake up still switched, and switching has not changed at all for us in the 9 years since then.

9:49 PM

Basically means any of my tulpas could choose to never switch back and could just live the entire rest of our body's life as themselves. (edited)

9:50 PM

(Obviously they wouldn't do that, but for demonstration, Lucilyn was just switched in for 45 straight days recently)

9:50 PM

During which I'm equivalent to the tulpas in our system (edited)

Reisen

Though maybe unlike Kitkat, I don't mind explaining how I think tulpamancy works (or should work)/what the experience is like (or should be like)

i do that, but very briefly and in simple terms, especially when someone asks. Just so they get the idea why what they are told is going to help them. Too much info just distracts I think philosophising about how it all works, putting labels categories classes sublabels etc is fine but not for a beginner (edited)

Tulpa.quicktips

*quickest

Oh, and for imposition...

9:52 PM

We literally just focused on trying to see them in real life.

9:52 PM

Walked around where my tulpa should be trying to see them there, I dunno.

9:53 PM

People make it out to be so complicated, and that's probably why we were successful at it and not everyone else is, lol.

9:54 PM

Then we just practiced it every day (personally, by walking around my college campus with my tulpas, sometimes having them sit in classes with me if the class was suitable)

Yeah, that’s similar to what we did

My tulpas existed for 4 years before we found out about "tulpas"/had any outside influence at all, so we had no wonderland and they actually naturally exist in a sort of "around-the-head space", sort of like halfway between wonderlanding and imposition

9:56 PM

Though it's also sort of hammer space, because while I could say "My tulpas is forwards and to the right of my IRL head", they're closer than a foot+ away despite looking futher away

9:56 PM

So, not imposition nor wonderlanding

i had presence, touch and kineasthetic imposition from the start, but not visual